Ang Mapait Na Katotohanan - Philippines / Sulu Sabah Claim
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| Ibibigay ito sa Pilipinas? |
Noon kasi ang usapan nila 5,300 Mexican gold kada taon ang bayad sa upa. Nang umalis ang Brits, naging Ringgit. Eh may pagka utak biya din ang Sultan, hindi umangal sa Ringgit. Kung gaano katapang ang mga tausog na ito, ganon din sila kabobo. Backwards sila, mahina utak dahil sa relihiyon nila. Punta ka sa Saudi o kahit anong bansa sa Middle East, ang mga Arabo talagang ang bobo-bobo. Maswerte lang sila dahil sa langis pero tangina ang bobo-bobo pa rin nila. Ganon din nangyari sa mga Malays, lalo na sa mga kapatid natin sa Mindanao. Sige kung naniniwala kayo na lahat ng tao pantay-pantay, magbigay kayo ng example ng naimbento ng isang Arabo, Malay at Tausog? Wala diba? Kasi nga bobo eh.
At ngayon nasa Sabah sila para i-reclaim at bawiin ang lupa na historically ay sa kanila. Kaya nga nagbabayad ng Ringgit ang Malaysia.
Pero ito ang tanong ko... Para kanino ba ang Sabah? Kung para sa Sulu lang ito eh di sila na lang magisa bumawi niyan. Tandaan ninyo na ang Sabah ay sinangla ng Sulu sa British North Borneo Company kapalit sa armas. Armas para may gamitin ang mga hurumentados sa pakikipaglaban sa mga Kastila. Dahil ayaw nilang masakop ng Pilipinas. Tapos ngayon, tutulong ang Pinas para mabawi ang Sabah? At ibibigay lang ng Pinas sa Sultan ng Sulu ang Sabah? Ganon lang?
Ano ba plano ng Pilipinas sa Sabah kung sakaling mabawi natin ito? Kung gagawin lang pala itong tapunan ng mga skwater, forget it. Kawawa naman mga Sabahan kung bababuyin lang pala ng mga skwater ang Sabah. Tataas ang crime rate sa Sabah, magkakaroon ng squatters colony na kay baho! Malalaman ng mga Sabahan ang ibig sabihin ng salitang ONDOY! Tuwing uulan nenerbyosin sila! Makakaranas sila na lumalangoy sa kanal in pitch black, bumabagyo, umuulan! Dahil barado mga kanal nila, mga estero nila tinabunan para sa executive village, mga ilog binahayan ng mga walang disiplinang mga tao, tapon dito, tapon doon, tae dito, tae doon, kantot dito kantot doon kaya DUMADAMI ANG MGA PUTANGINANG MGA SKWATERRRRR! PUTANGINANG MGA SKWATER MGA INUTIL PUTANGINA NIYO! NABASAG NA IPIN KO SA KAKATYPE NITO, NAGSQUARE NA ULO KO, NAGTATALSIKAN NA MGA BUTTONS NG KEYBOARD KO SA SOBRANG DIIN NG PAGTYPE KO DAHIL SA SOBRANG INIS AT GALIT KO SA MGA WALANG DISIPLINANG MGA SKWATER!
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| Executive village sa tuktok nito ang gagawin ng Sta Lucia Realty. Heavenly Views Executive Village. O diba? |
At akala niyo mga Sabahans kayo hanggang diyan lang ang pangbababoy na gagawin namin mga Pinoy? Hindi niyo pa namemeet ang ibang mga demonyo namin na mas mababagsik pa! Pag nakita niyo si Henry Sy nako lagot ang mga small entrepreneurs imomonopolize nila ang mga negosyo diyan. Ngayon pa lang magsara na mga maliliit na tindahan, itigil na mga farmers niyo sa pag tanim, isara na mga local industries dahil wala interest ang SM sa mga locally made products. Wala sila interest sa local produce na mga gulay. Gusto nila imported! Dahil imported lang ang gusto ng mga putanginang mga Pinoy na mga fucked up na mga tao! Fucked up sa buong mundo! Mga fucked up!
Ano ba ginagawa ng maliit na kainan diyan ha? Bakit nandyan pa rin yan marami kumakain at ang may ari nito nakapagpaaral ng mga anak sa kolehiyo? Hindi pupwede yan sa owners ng Jollibee lalo na ang demonyong hari nila na si Tony Tan Caktiong Faktiong Shitkiong kayong mga putangina kayo. Tayuan ng Jollibee kaagad sa harap niyan, tapatan yan putanginang maliit na karinderya na yan na pinupuntahan ng mga locals at nagbibigay ng identiy sa lugar nila. Tapatan yan, hanggang sa magsara na dahil hindi sila makakaporma sa ating aggressive marketing. Magsara na kayo ngayon pa lang.
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| Biglang magkakaroon ng world class airport pag nabawi ang Sabah. |
Magiiyakan ang mga Sabahan. Kawawa naman sila.
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| Magiging Ok ang pagbebeerhouse natin! |
Durog na durog na sila at mapipilitan silang sumali sa Eat Bulaga at iba pang noon time shows ng ABS CBN at ABC5. Yan na lang ang natatanging pagasa para sila ay makaahon sa kahirapan. Baka manalo sila ng P1,000,000 ay aapaw ang saya! Kahit manalo lang ng P5,000 sa mga question and answer portion nila! At kung handa silang umiyak kay Willie baka maawa pa si Willie at bigyan sila ng P1,000 galing sa kaibuturan ng puso niya!
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| Ganito mangyayari sa mga Sabahan pag naging Pilipinas sila. |
Dagdag pa niya, "If they had to choose between Philippines and Malaysia, they would pick Malaysia, not entirely for economic reasons but because the Philippine government is just simply so backwards, they are fully aware of the religious and ethnic issues in the Philippines, they dont want any part of that."
At yan po ang mapait na katotohanan. Alam po ng ating mga kapitbahay ang baho natin. Lalo na kung paano itrato ang mga indios sa bansa. Kung sasali ang Sabah sa Pilipinas, magiging marginalized sila kagaya ng marami sa mga kababayan natin ngayon.
Fuck you Philippines. Now, fuck off!
Sige, Sabah! Pasakop kayo sa Pinas at matutlad ang buhay niyo sa mga walang kuwentang iskwaters sa amin
ReplyDeleteKaya nga opposed ang mga Sabahans na maging parte ng Pilipinas.
DeleteAng mga Pinoy ba papayag na maging parte ng Bangladesh? Bangladesh mamahala sa atin? Parang ganon lang yan.
Kailan ba naging opposed ang Sabahans? Please enlighten us here oh all knowing one.
DeleteWas there ever a referendum held about the Philippines Sabah claim?
Has the ICJ ever decided on this?
Was there ever a case filed before the ICJ?
Was there ever a decision made by the ICJ based on the basis of SELF-DETERMINATION alone?
I'm waiting.....
puntahan mo lang mga online forums ng mga sabahans. ask them if they would want to become part of the philippines. ang isasagot sa iyo ay NO! mas gugustuhin pa nila magsarili. alam nila kung gaano ka-corrupt ang pilipinas.
Deletegusto ko maibalik sa atin ang sabah. ang kinakatakutan ko lang ay pag naibalik yan, sisirain lang natin yan.
online forums in malaysia? nahihibang ka na ba clocks? hindi mo ba alam na kamay na bakal ang malaysia pagdating sa social networking? and just recently, may malaking scandal sa malaysia involving the malaysian government paying off american PR people just to blog good things about their candidates for this year's election and at the same time do a smear campaign about the opposition.
Deletemy point? if ever there are sabahans going online to say good things about sabah and bad things about the philippines most likely they are paid hacks of the malaysian government.
read this article written by a MALAYSIAN journalist about the Philippines' Sabah claim and the ongoing saga there. http://hornbillunleashed.wordpress.com/2013/02/28/42201/
have you forgotten that both Indonesia and the Philippines still have an ongoing protest about the 1963 referendum leading to the new Malaysian Federation? Malaysia doesn't want the international courts to hear it.
Deletehahahaha mga bobo kayong lahat, kung magkakabotohan sa Sabah hindi sa Malaysia o Pinas pupunta ang mga iyan kungdi sa BANGSAMORO!
DeleteMalaysian and Philippine governments had it coming, Malaysia for land grabbing Sabah from the Sultanate of Sulu and the Philippines for colonizing Mindanao in 1935 when in fact MINDANAO, SULU and PALAWAN were sovereign states with respective Sultans.
hahahaha Spratlys and Sabah claim my ass, respect the BANGSAMORO claim first.
Anonymous March 5, 2013 at 11:59 AM
Deletekaya ang sabah at mindanao para yang betlog na may dalawang titi.
know your history you dumbass, in 1962 the heirs of the Sultan of Sulu granted the Philippine government full authority to pursue the claim legally.
ReplyDeletealso if you weren't such a filipino hater you would probably realize that there is more than meets the eye behind long standing allegations that the MNLF, MILF, etc. and every other Muslim separatist group in Mindanao has long been supported by the Malaysian government in order to distract the Philippine government from claiming Sabah.
personally i'd rather we still lease Sabah to the Malaysians but at a higher rent, 5,300 ringgit is just P74,200, that's nothing. Let the Malaysians pay 500 million ringgit a year + 20% of whatever revenue they get from oil and Sabah's other natural resources.
Malabo kasi mangyari yan na mapunta ulit ang Sabah sa Pinas.
DeleteAlam ko history ng bansa ko. Pero kailangan maging realistic. Hindi gusto ng mga Sabahan na mabalik sa Pilipinas.
Asa ka pa na mataasan ang renta sa Sabah na yan.
From the history books...
DeleteAs reported by the Secretary-General of the United Nations, the independence of North Borneo was brought about as the result of the expressed wish of the majority of the people of the territory in a 1963 election.
This is further reinforced by the International Court of Justice view that,
“ ...historic title, no matter how persuasively claimed on the basis of old legal instruments and exercises of authority, cannot - except in the most extraordinary circumstances - prevail in law over the rights of non-self-governing people to claim independence and establish their sovereignty through the exercise of bona fide self-determination."
We know our history very well, but do you know Sabah's history as well? Malaysia however, considered this dispute as a "non-issue", as there is no desire from the actual people of Sabah to be part of the Philippines or of the Sultanate of Sulu.
That lease is as ancient as the fossils that died eons ago, we can't even manage our own country well, horrible politics and a mismanaged anemic economy, and yet we want to take over that patch of land that has been granted with their own independence and self-determination? If the Philippines wants some kind of war with other nations then I'm not willing to die for such bullshit like that. The lease is just fine, leave it as it is, stop claiming other lands when you can't even manage your own.
Also, about the Sabah claim, the President didn't even give a damn when he came to as president in his early years, the letter that was written by the Sultan of Sulu was supposed to have reached him but disappeared, it was only until now that he started caring about this..must be the fiesta election mood.
Gagong Abnoynoy nga yan manang-mana sa tatay niya na traydor.
DeleteAt yan din ang matinding kalaban natin.... ang mga Sabahan ayaw mabalik sa Pinas. Nagbotohan sila noong 1963, unanimously ayaw nila mapunta sa Pilipinas. Kung bibigyan sila ng pagkakataon ngayon mas gugustuhin nilang maging independent.
Why not sumali na lang ang Sulu sa Sabah if maging independent sila? Itapon na sila doon kasama ng mga Maranao at iba pang tribu ng mga muslim na walang ibang alam na gawin kung hindi manggulo. Magpaampon na sila sa amo nila na Malaysia din para hindi na kailangan ng Malaysia na guluhin pa ang Pilipinas. Sila naman ang nagpopondo sa mga MNLF, MILF at Abu Sayaf na yan eh.
Burat!
Ang problema ng Sabah, Pilipinas at Malaysia ay katulad din ng problema ng Argentina, UK at Falklands Islands. Sa Sabah at Falklands ang mga local na nakatira dun ay gusto sa Malaysia at UK respectively sila naka-align. Lahat man ng tactics ng mga pamilya ng Sultan ng Sulu at Argentina ay mapapawalang saysay dahil ang susundin lagi ay ang kagustuhan ng mga local na nakatira sa pinag-aawayang teritoryo.
DeleteSo ngayon palang wag na tayong umasa na makukuha natin ang Sabah. Tao na mismo ang nagsabi, ayaw nila sa Pilipinas. Wag na tayong mangarap pa. Tama si Clocks, bababuyin lang natin ang lugar, masisira ang kalikasan at magkakaroon lang nag patayan doon.
Sa tingin ko may kinalaman din dito ang gobyerno ng Pilipinas. Pakunwari pa silang walang alam pero hindi naman sila kumikilos para matigil ang gulo. Sila Pnoy nakatunganga lang. Di ba mga Filipino citizen itong pamilya ng Sultan ng Sulu? Bakit hindi arestohin ng Pilipinas? Mga gago talaga. Eleksyon na naman kasi eh kaya busy sila sa kakaligaw ng mga bobonic na mga botante sa atin. Palibhasa kabuhayan ang nakataya sa kanila kung hindi sila mahalal. Mga inutil! Mga waldasero ng kaban ng bayan! Pweh!
Dapat sa lahat man ng umaako ng Sabah, hayaan na lang ang Malaysia na imasaker sila! Tang-ina kinkaladkad pa nila ang buong Pilipinas at mga Pinoy sa kaululan nila. Pero kung sabagay, nakakahiya naman talaga ang mga nagyayari sa atin. Shit, mag-ubusan na lang ng angkan! Patayan na lang! Cheh!
=Urag0n
Tila sulusyon ata irradicate ang mga taong walang kwenta sa pinas..Yung dyinodyos mga trapong politiko at yang Puchang Ambisyosyong BINAY na yan..
DeletePati mga yan unti unting patayin mga yan!
Maiwan sana ang mga taong me vision sa bayan
wow may nagmamarunong, no desire from sabahans to join the philippines? ang tanong eh nagkaroon ba ng referendum nung 1963? hmmmm.... ni ayaw nga mag participate ng malaysia sa ICJ about sabah eh. eh iyung claim between indonesia and malaysia sa north borneo anong nangyari dun? iyung ba ang basis ninyo sa self-determination argument niyo mga bopols? paki share nga ng link sa final decision dun, hindi lang iyung sa "opinion" ng isang judge dun ha kungdi iyung final decision.
Deleteself-determination? talaga? eh bakit iyung HK at MACAU nung ibinalik sa China nung 1997 after mag expire iyung LEASE NG MGA BRITS nagkaroon ba sila ng referendum? iyung self determination ba nila ay nirespeto?
we have never lost our claim on Sabah, legally may basis tayo, what we don't have is a president who has the balls to actually do something about it and a military force to back us up. ganun lang kasimple iyun.
next time bago niyo subukang lokohin ang mga nagbabasa dito eh aral muna kayo. know the history behind the facts behind the Sabah claim fist.
may mga lupa ba kayo? i lease niyo sa akin tapos ibibigay ko sa iba, tingnan ko kung papaano kayo mag react.
This is further reinforced by the International Court of Justice view that,
Delete“ ...historic title, no matter how persuasively claimed on the basis of old legal instruments and exercises of authority, cannot - except in the most extraordinary circumstances - prevail in law over the rights of non-self-governing people to claim independence and establish their sovereignty through the exercise of bona fide self-determination."
first of all the International Court of Justice has not yet resolved the Philippines' Sabah claim. Have you conveniently forgotten that Malaysia refused to participate? What you cited is a mere opinion of an Ad Hoc British Judge in the case between Malaysia & Indonesia where the Philippines filed a third party intervention ; whom might be affected by the decision on the case. Ad hoc judges are not permanent magistrates of the International Court of Justice at the time of the disposition of the case. His view, albeit very controversial; is only one of the many opinions of the main judges and is irrelevant to the issue of the case at hand.
Besides, if self-determination is indeed the right of people who find themselves in such a situation then answer me this, was there a referendum among HK and Macanese people in 1997 when Britain's lease on HK and MACAU expired?
As reported by the Secretary-General of the United Nations, the independence of North Borneo was brought about as the result of the expressed wish of the majority of the people of the territory in a 1963 election.
DeleteThis is further reinforced by the International Court of Justice view that,
“ ...historic title, no matter how persuasively claimed on the basis of old legal instruments and exercises of authority, cannot - except in the most extraordinary circumstances - prevail in law over the rights of non-self-governing people to claim independence and establish their sovereignty through the exercise of bona fide self-determination."
We know our history very well, but do you know Sabah's history as well? Malaysia however, considered this dispute as a "non-issue", as there is no desire from the actual people of Sabah to be part of the Philippines or of the Sultanate of Sulu.
Sus, eh siyempre iyan ang ilalagay ng Malaysia sa history books nila gago ka pala eh.
eh bakit nagbabayad pa din ng 5,000 ringgit ang Malaysia hanggang ngayon? has Malaysia ever contested the historical title in any international court? have they ever questioned the lease?
wala di ba?
jesus, another foreigner nut hugging filipino here. ang mga OFW talaga nakatungtong lang sa ibang bansa akala mo asenso na, sus pero huwag ka mga alila lang naman dun.
At yan din ang matinding kalaban natin.... ang mga Sabahan ayaw mabalik sa Pinas. Nagbotohan sila noong 1963, unanimously ayaw nila mapunta sa Pilipinas. Kung bibigyan sila ng pagkakataon ngayon mas gugustuhin nilang maging independent.
Deleteuyyy nagmamarunong ang baklang si clocks. owww? nagbotohan sila na ayaw nila sa pilipinas? asan evidence mo bakla?
ang alam ko eh nung 1963 ang pinagbotohan nun eh iyung Malayan federation hindi iyung Philippines Sabah claim.
stick ka na lang sa mga articles mo tungkol sa mga girlfriend at asawa mong pokpok, pakantot, bayaran at maduduming babae, tutal diyan ka expert eh, pero iyung mga seryosong bagay huwag ka ng magmarunong ha.
Then how come Malaysia still pays lease to the Sultan of Sulu? Malaysians know that.
DeleteAs to your self-determination argument, nasa picture ba sa bawat isang tao na nasa Sabah noong 1963 ang claim ng Pilipinas at ng Sulu nung ng-referendum sila? Wala. In their minds, and kailangan lang nilang sagutin ay ang tanong na sasali ba sila sa Federation ng Malaysia or maging independente? Kasali ba doon ang tanong na gusto ba nilang sumama sa Pilipinas or hindi? Wala. Kung may referendum mang naganap, ang tanong la eh kung gusto ba nilang maging malaya sa Malaysia or hindi. With this, the fact still exists that the Philippine claim over Sabah stands.
DeleteEH di kung yung mga tao sa SABAH ayaw nila sa pilipinas, eh di dapat sila ang umalis at lumipat doon sa sakop ng Malaysia,...di ba? Bakit yung may-ari ng lupa ang aalis?
DeleteNorth Borneo was never part of British territory and its people were never British subjects until July 10, 1946, or six days after Philippines independence, when Britain unlawfully "asserted full sovereign rights over" the island.
DeleteBut "in accordance with established precedents in International Law, the assertion of sovereign rights by the British Crown in 1946, in complete disregard of the contract of 1878 and their solemn commitments did not and cannot produce legal results in the force of a new title," according to Salonga.
This even prompted former American Governor-General F.B. Harrison, then Special Adviser to the Philippine Government on Foreign Affairs, "to denounce the cession order as a unilateral set in violation of legal right."
The International Court of Justice (ICJ) has not yet ruled on the conflicting territorial claims of the Philippines and Malaysia in relation to Sabah. Unlike in ordinary local courts, the ICJ generally takes cognizance of a dispute only if the contending parties willingly agree to bring the matter for resolution to the ICJ. Considering that Malaysia has consistently refused to give its consent, this never happened.
DeleteThere was one time when the Philippines, confident of its claim and evidence, tried to indirectly submit the dispute to the ICJ. On March 13, 2001, the Philippines petitioned that it be allowed to intervene in the territorial dispute between Malaysia and Indonesia pending with the ICJ. This dispute involved the islands of Pulau Ligitan and Pulau Sipadan located in the Celebes sea, off the Northeast coast of the of the Island of Borneo. The Philippines asserted that any decision of the ICJ in the dispute might affect its claim on North Borneo, particularly Sabah. Malaysia and Indonesia objected on the ground that the Philippines had no legal interest in the case which did not involve North Borneo and therefore has no right to intervene.
Eventually, the ICJ proceeded to examine whether the Philippine claim of sovereignty over North Borneo, particularly Sabah, could or could not be affected by the territorial claims of Indonesia and Malaysia involving two different islands, namely Pulau Ligitan and Pulau Sipadan. In the end, the ICJ determined that there was no showing that the claim of the Philippines over North Borneo will be prejudiced at all by any resolution of the case between Malaysia and Indonesia. The petition of the Philippines to intervene was therefore denied. The ICJ , in effect, ruled that the issue between the Philippines and Malaysia over North Borneo was a DIFFERENT MATTER which must be threshed out in another case.
Unfortunately MALAYSIA doesn't want to be dragged in such a case because they know they will lose.
In that 2001 case, following were the opinions of the different judges:
DeleteJudge Oda dissented and opined that the Philippines should have been allowed to intervene. He opined that a non-party should be allowed to intervene if he can show that he may be affected by any consequent ruling by the court involving other parties. Judge Oda said that a definitive showing that the Philippines at that point of the proceeding will be affected is unfair considering that the Philippines had no access to the pleadings of both Malaysia and Indonesia in the main case.
Judge Koroma reminded the court that whether the intervention was granted or not, it was not binding to a non-party to the case ( like the Philippines) pursuant to the ICJ Statutes.
Judge Parra-Aranguren opined that the only important part of the decision is the dispositive portion and stated that he could not agree to some paragraphs of the decision, saying that the Philippines’ legal interest may not be affected by the interpretation.
Judge Kooijmans stated that he agreed with the resolution but, if the ICJ wanted more specificity from the Philippines, it should have required the Philippines to do so.
Then two ad hoc judges also expressed their opinions: Weeramantry and Franck. Ad hoc judges are not permanent magistrates of the International Court of Justice at the time of the disposition of the case. They may have already retired as judges by the time the dispute was elevated to the ICJ, but by request of the main parties to the case, they have acted as ad hoc judges.
Under the Statutes of the ICJ, in the event that there are no judges in the ICJ belonging to the nationality of the contending parties, either party can seek the appointment of an ad hoc judge, not necessarily having its nationality. The parties in this case were Malaysia and Indonesia who objected to the entry of the Philippines. Either one of countires chose Judge ad hoc Franck or Judge ad hoc Weeramantry.
Judge ad hoc Weeramantry suggested that the case could have been an occasion to fully explain all the technicalities and ramification of an intervention proceeding in the ICJ .
Judge ad hoc Franck made the most controversial view as he opined that the Philippines’ assertion of historic title over North Borneo should not prevail over the doctrine of self-determination. It is his opinion that all claims of the Philippines are barred considering that the North Borneans have already decided that they want to be in Malaysia.
The quote made by some genius here was from an AD HOC Judge, not a FULL TIME judge at the ICJ. Worse, he made it appear that it was a quote that was directly tied-up to the Philippines's Sabah claim, maliciously trying to convince people here that such a decision was already made on the claim and that HISTORICAL TITLES are useless and have no basis.
"From the history books...
DeleteAs reported by the Secretary-General of the United Nations, the independence of North Borneo was brought about as the result of the expressed wish of the majority of the people of the territory in a 1963 election.
This is further reinforced by the International Court of Justice view that,
“ ...historic title, no matter how persuasively claimed on the basis of old legal instruments and exercises of authority, cannot - except in the most extraordinary circumstances - prevail in law over the rights of non-self-governing people to claim independence and establish their sovereignty through the exercise of bona fide self-determination."
We know our history very well, but do you know Sabah's history as well? Malaysia however, considered this dispute as a "non-issue", as there is no desire from the actual people of Sabah to be part of the Philippines or of the Sultanate of Sulu.
That lease is as ancient as the fossils that died eons ago, we can't even manage our own country well, horrible politics and a mismanaged anemic economy, and yet we want to take over that patch of land that has been granted with their own independence and self-determination? If the Philippines wants some kind of war with other nations then I'm not willing to die for such bullshit like that. The lease is just fine, leave it as it is, stop claiming other lands when you can't even manage your own.
Also, about the Sabah claim, the President didn't even give a damn when he came to as president in his early years, the letter that was written by the Sultan of Sulu was supposed to have reached him but disappeared, it was only until now that he started caring about this..must be the fiesta election mood."
ulul mo, from the history books daw, bobo. transcript iyan nung intervention case na finile ng Pinas sa ICJ nung 2001 during a territorial dispute between Malaysia and Indonesia. worse, AD HOC judge lang galing ang opinion na iyan, sa salingpusa lang hahahahaha
huwag ka ngang magmarunong dito.
ayaw ko sa mga sabahans na chicks, kahit iyung mga chinese malaysians dun na magaganda at seksi ang babaho ng puki ng mga iyun, amoy sili at patis. pero hayop chumupa ang mga iyun, gutom na gutom sa titing matigas.
DeleteI have a better idea, why don't we all exercise our right of self-determination as cited by some genius here.
DeleteLet's just retain Manila and Visayas give away the rest of the Philippines for free!
Let's give the whole of Mindanao to Malaysia, anyway majority of the Muslim population of our poor country is in that area.
Then let's give away the whole of Luzon to China.
Then let's put all of the Visayan islands up for lease, don't tell me the Hiltons won't jump at the chance to take a lease on Boracay :)
Let's go!
grabe malaysia pati nga si gat jose rizal inaangkin nila na hero eh :)
Deletesi clocks at ang mga fans niya ang bobobo talaga :)
Deleteiyung isa gusto pang mag mislead ng mga tao, nagpost pa ng decision kuno ng ICJ tungkol sa mga territorial claims - eh salingpusa lang naman na judge na briton ang nagsabi nung OPINYON na iyun at hindi final na decision :)
There are two issues here,
DeleteFirst, the issue of whether or not the Philippines has a legitimate claim on Sabah, that is if a lease and historical title can stand. Given the example of HK and MACAU in 1997 - wherein the Brits returned the islands to CHINA after the lease expired - then we have a case.
Second issue is whether or not so called self-determination will trump over a historical claim. Again, if we are to use the HK and MACAU return as an example that doesn't seem to be the case since there was no referendum made among the HK and MACAU locals at that time as to whether or not they wanted to be part of CHINA or to be independent. On a personal note, I have many friends in HK who migrated to Canada between 1990-1995 simply because they didn't want to be part of CHINA.
I think no one argues about the first issue, that the Sultan of Sulu's claim is legit, its the second issue that muddles the discussions here. That is even if the ICJ awards Sabah back to us the Malaysians living in Sabah can dispute this with the self-determination card.
From the history books...
DeleteAs reported by the Secretary-General of the United Nations, the independence of North Borneo was brought about as the result of the expressed wish of the majority of the people of the territory in a 1963 election.
This is further reinforced by the International Court of Justice view that,
“ ...historic title, no matter how persuasively claimed on the basis of old legal instruments and exercises of authority, cannot - except in the most extraordinary circumstances - prevail in law over the rights of non-self-governing people to claim independence and establish their sovereignty through the exercise of bona fide self-determination."
We know our history very well, but do you know Sabah's history as well? Malaysia however, considered this dispute as a "non-issue", as there is no desire from the actual people of Sabah to be part of the Philippines or of the Sultanate of Sulu.
That lease is as ancient as the fossils that died eons ago, we can't even manage our own country well, horrible politics and a mismanaged anemic economy, and yet we want to take over that patch of land that has been granted with their own independence and self-determination? If the Philippines wants some kind of war with other nations then I'm not willing to die for such bullshit like that. The lease is just fine, leave it as it is, stop claiming other lands when you can't even manage your own.
Also, about the Sabah claim, the President didn't even give a damn when he came to as president in his early years, the letter that was written by the Sultan of Sulu was supposed to have reached him but disappeared, it was only until now that he started caring about this..must be the fiesta election mood.
MANUEL BUENCAMINO IS THAT YOU?
Buti pa iyung mga kapatid nating mga Muslim may mga bayag eh iyung military nga natin di makaporma sa Spratlys.
Deleteblessing in disguise na rin siguro ito. malay niyo mag join forces ang MNLF, MILF, ASG at kung anu ano pang Muslim separatist group sa Mindanao at sugurin ang Malaysia para mabawi ang Sabah. Tapos eh dun na sila lahat para wala ng gulo sa Mindanao :)
DeleteThe heirs of the Sultan of Sulu have waited for 50 years for the Philippine government to legally take back Sabah, that's what they did in 1962 when they gave the government full authority to go to the ICJ.
DeleteThus it is unfair to say that the heirs of the Sultan of Sulu are being hardheaded about the matter when in fact it is the government's lukewarm stance on the matter that is really causing the trouble.
I say its about time we file a case with the ICJ - not simply because we want Sabah back - but for us to put an end to this Sabah claim saga once and for all.
Article IV of the Malaysia Agreement of 1963 reads as follows:
DeleteThe Government of the United Kingdom will take such steps as may be appropriate and available to them to secure the enactment by the Parliament of the United Kingdom of an Act providing for the relinquishment, as from Malaysia Day, of Her Britannic Majesty’s sovereignty and jurisdiction in respect of North Borneo, Sarawak and Singapore so that the said sovereignty and jurisdiction shall on such relinquishment vest in accordance with this Agreement and the constitutional instruments annexed to this Agreement.
Because it was stated that one part of Sabah belonged to the Brunei Sultanate and the other part to the Sulu Sultanate, and while Brunei had ceded her part of Sabah’s sovereignty, Sulu (now part of the Philippines) only leased her part of Sabah, does Her Britannic Majesty had sovereignty over the whole or only one part of Sabah?
It is obvious that the answer is only one part of Sabah, therefore Article IV is null and void thereby rendering the entire Malaysia Agreement of 1963 illegal and of no effect…!
There is a legal maxim “nemodat quod non habet” which means “you cannot give what you do not have”.
Legitimate and legal independence or autonomy for that one part of Sabah that was leased from the Sulu Sultanate can only come from the Philippines.
ang sabah ay para sa sultan ng sulu. kung gusto nila mabalik sa kanila, kunin nila! wag na nilang idamay ang pilipinas. nung pina-upa ba nila ang sabah may kinalaman ba dito ang gobyerno ng pilipinas? wala! sino ang nakikinabang ng upa hanggang ngayon? di ba pamilya ng sultan ng sulu?
Deleteat saka kung sakali man(malaking sakali ito ha) na mapunta sa pinas nga ang sabah, sinong hindi magsasabi na kukunin din nila sa pilipinas ang lupang ito? sa ngayon malaysia ang kalaban nila at humihingi ng tulong sa pinas, bukas pilipinas naman ang kakalabanin para mapunta sa kanila.
lahat ng gulo na ito ay dahil sa kamang-mangan ng mga pamilya ng sultan ng sulu. kasi nung panahon na yun, yung binabayad sa kanila ay tingin nila malaki. masilaw sa salapi. di nila alam na mas matalino ang mga british kasi alam nila pag dating ng araw ang perang ito ay kakapirangot na lang. eh kung inayos ba nila ang pagpapa-upa sa sabah, eh di sana kasing yaman sila ng sultan ng brunie na ginawa ang lahat para sa kanya pa rin ng teritoryo nya. so anihin nila ang tinanim nila! tang-ina!
at sa pag epal naman ng sambayanang pilipino sa pag bawi ng sabah, mga hunghang!!!! wag na kayo mag ambisyon! wala naman kayong kinalaman dito! ginagamit lang kayo ng pamilya ng sultan ng sulu. wag na kayong mag-ambisyon! ayaw ng mga taga sabah sa pinas kasi mga racists ang mga pilipino at magiging second-class citizen lang sila. ayosin muna natin ang sarili nating bansa at wag nang mangarap pa na manira ng ibang lugar. ang kapal ng mukha, di na kayo nahiya! pweH!
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Do you know the history of the BANGSAMORO? Tangina mong URAGON ka, para kang si QUEZON with his MANILA IMPERIALISM when they colonized Mindanao in the 1930s.
DeleteMINDANAO, SULU, PALAWAN and NORTH BORNEO is BANGSAMORO. The Moros were never part of the Philippines, they had their own homeland, when Philippine independence was granted via the Tydings McDuffie Act in 1935 the then Commonwealth lead by QUEZON instituted acts to colonize Mindanao which at that time was already sovereign state.
Know your history, gagong Bicolano.
eh gago ka palang uragon ka eh, kung tutuusin nga iyang Mindanao, Sulu at Palawan eh ni land grab natin sa mga muslim eh. magbasa ka nga ng history book at huwag magmarunong.
Deletebasahin at intindihin mo iyung legislative act 4197 - The QUIRINO-RECTO COLONIZATION ACT, which basically allowed Christians to land grab Muslim lands.
kinangina ka, napakabobo mo.
One has to wonder what really is Pinoy's stance on both Sabah and Mindanao. To me its like a double edged sword, if the government successfully claims back Sabah in all likelihood the Muslims will reassert their right to it by including it in the areas for autonomy together with those already identified in Mindanao.
DeleteIf you read your history well to understand the roots of the Muslim problem in Mindanao - and not just depend on TV, reports and hearsay - you will come to the realization that the Muslim cause is no different than that of the American Indians, the only distinction really is that the Bangsamoro was truly a sovereign state in its own right. Mindanao, Sulu, Palawan and North Borneo were never part of Spanish era Philippines and the Americans only got to control Mindanao, Palawan and Sulu but not North Borneo.
Think about it, if the Muslims get Sabah back they will be more emboldened to ask for true independence rather than autonomy from the Philippine government.
Will we be ready to let Mindanao, Sulu and Palawan go?
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"lahat ng gulo na ito ay dahil sa kamang-mangan ng mga pamilya ng sultan ng sulu. kasi nung panahon na yun, yung binabayad sa kanila ay tingin nila malaki. masilaw sa salapi. di nila alam na mas matalino ang mga british kasi alam nila pag dating ng araw ang perang ito ay kakapirangot na lang. eh kung inayos ba nila ang pagpapa-upa sa sabah, eh di sana kasing yaman sila ng sultan ng brunie na ginawa ang lahat para sa kanya pa rin ng teritoryo nya. so anihin nila ang tinanim nila! tang-ina!"
Deleteknow your history and facts, the Sultan of Sulu already made several attempts during the late 1800s and 1900s to reclaim Sabah via diplomatic means (remember, Sulu was still a sovereign state back then) but the British stood pat that the contract was not a lease but a sale. even in the 1970s and 1980s the heirs of the Sultan of Sulu negotiated at least for higher payments and even a USD500M buyout but because then Pres. Marcos was preoccupied with too many things - wars with the NPA and MNLF, a looming financial and economic crisis, martial law, failing health - this was not handled well by the Philippine government.
exactly my point mga bros. ang sultan ng sulu ang ugat ng lahat ng ito. sila ang nagpa-upa ng lupa sila rin dapat ang umasikaso. bakit nakikialam ang gobyerno ng pilipinas? kasi binigay sa pilipinas ang sabah? putcha pag nabawi nila yan sa malaysia babawiin din nila sa pilipinas yan. saan tayo pupulutin? putik sa mukha ang aabutin natin dyan. kaya please tayong mga pilipino dapat tayong mag-isip at wag sugod ng sugod.
Deletemag-isip tayo mga people. kanya-kanyang agenda yan. sa ngayon naghahanap ng simpatsya ang pamilya ng sultan sulu at ang pinakamalapit na malalapitan ay ang pilipinas. pag dating ng araw pilipinas naman ang babangain. kahit ano mang sabihin nyo tungkol sa pagbawi or sa mga kasulatan na ibidensya kung sino talaga may-ari ng sabah, ang mga tao sa sabah ay may karapatan din mag sabi kung saan nila gusto sumama.
ang ayoko lang, pag dating ng araw mapapasama na naman sa giyera ang pilipinas sa bagay na hindi naman dapat ginagawang priority. mapapasubo na naman tayo. nakikita ko sa pag dating ng araw kung hindi maingat ang pilipinas, na magkakaroon na naman ng giyera sa mindanao. ayoko ko na yun. 5 miembro ng pamilya ko ang naging sundalo at pinadala sa mindanao para lang sa mga walang kwentang giyera na yan. ayoko na ulit mangyari yun. kaya wag nyong sabihin na wala akong paki-alam dahil ang pamilya ko mismo ay nag buwis na ng dugo para dyan.
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Because the only court that can resolve this issue handles territorial disputes between states and not individuals. That's why he ceded his domain to the then Macapagal administration of the 60s so that the Philippines can claim Sabah. In effect the Philippines holds sovereign rights to Sabah while the Sultan maintains property rights.
DeleteDiyan tayo matotodas AnonymousMarch 4, 2013 at 8:00 AM
Deleteyan ang last point ko sa article na ito. historical claims meron ang sultan of sulu. pero pag nilabas na yung alas, ang self determination card na tinatawag mo kahit ano pang gawin natin wala talaga tayong magagawa.
pero gago pa rin ang putanginang malayshit na ito! mga putangina nila!
yung mga taga squatters sa ilog pasig lilipat dyan at yung mga nanatiling squatters sa riles ng tren mula cabanatuan,dagupan launion hanggang bicol dun lilipat sa sabah..
ReplyDeletegawin nilang next bansa ng mga iskwatings
Hahaha yan ang mangyayari kapag nakuha ng Pinas ang Sabah. Skwater! Iisipin nila madaming opportunity doon. Kaya mag alsa balutan ang mga gagong yan. Pagdating doon wala palang trabaho kay mag imbento na naman ng trabaho. Taga bantay ng parking lot, taga atras abante ng mga sasakyan, takatak boys, bangkenta vendors at drug pusher. hahahaha magugulat mga Sabahan pag makita ang mga putanginang yan!
Deletesyempre uy Ilog dyan tayo mag iskwating.Dun tayo gawa takubets taihan natin gilid dun na din tayo magtapon ng basura...Uy ang Luwag ng mga tulay dun tayo sa ilalim,.. Tirahan din natin yung gilid ng airpot nila...Hehehe Tira tayo sa riles ng sabah..batuhin natin yung mga tren dun...Makipagpatentero tayo gawa kami ng trolley pag nasagi..magpabayad tayo.
DeleteYan ang mga ugali ng mga iskwating...
tapos uy pwede makikabit ng koryente sa poste mo? babayaran namin. pag ayaw mo, lock mo bahay mo sa gabi dahil pag natutulog ka na nanakawan ka namin. at pag maasar kami sa mukha mo habang natutulog ka, baka hindi ka sikatan ng araw.
Deletemakikiigib na din kami.
iskwating.
sa tingin niyo ba ay gagawing tapunan ng mga mahihirap at squatters ang sabah?
Deletefor all we know eh baka iyun pa ang gawing government headquarters ng pinas eh at iyung mga mayayaman at alta sociedad eh dun na titira.
ang gagawing tapunan ng mga mahihirap at squatters eh MANILA hehehehehe
actually.... i-ban ang mga mayayaman na lumipat sa sabah. magsama-sama sila ng mga skwater na bulok sa manila.
DeleteDIYAN PAPAYAG PA AKO!
Mabuti pa nga magpasakop na lang ang buong Mindanao sa Malaysia para mag improve ang buhay nila. Gago itong gobyerno natin puro bobo!
ReplyDeletesinabi mo pa lalo tong mga ninuno ni tetay...
DeleteKlax matutuwa ako pag AK47 mo yang tetay at bimby na yan
Sus kung makapagsalita ito akala mo napakaganda ng track record ng malaysia sa human rights ano?
DeleteMalaysia is one of the countries which, up to now, has refused to sign the widely ratified International Convention on Civil and Political Rights (ICCPR). This is a landmark international multilateral treaty/convention which puts the civil and political rights found in the Universal Declaration of Human Rights into a binding treaty. The Human Rights Watch, a well-known international organization, said in their 2013 World Report that:
"Malaysia is a member of the UN Human Rights Council (HRC), but has not signed or ratified most core human rights treaties. The government has also opposed including protections on the basis of sexual orientation or gender identity in the Association of Southeast Asian Nations (ASEAN) Human Rights Declaration and has blocked consideration of a comprehensive agreement to protect the rights of all migrant workers in ASEAN."
Lahat ng bansa may baho, parang pekpek nung mga sinosyota mo sa mga beerhouse. Malaysian taxi drivers are the worst in the world and if I had a choice between walking in KL or Manila at 2AM I'd take MANILA in a heartbeat.
To give the ordinary layman on the street an easier picture to digest, the following analogy best describes the whole situation:
ReplyDeleteA landlord called Jamalul leased a piece of land to a tenant called Overbeck for a yearly rent of $5,000. The written agreement stated that Overbeck cannot sub-let the land or sell the lease without Jamalul’s permission.
But the tenant despite the prohibition illegally sold the lease to a sub-tenant called Great Britain who later also illegally sold the lease to a sub-sub-tenant called Malaysia.
And in between all the illegal transactions perpetrated by Overbeck, Great Britain and Malaysia, Jamalul transferred all his rights and interests to a new landlord called the Philippines. The new landlord now wants back the land but the sub-sub-tenant Malaysia refuses to leave. The new landlord wants to take the matter to the International Court of Justice at The Hague but the sub-sub-tenant Malaysia also refuses to go there.
Can the sub-sub-tenant Malaysia claim to be an innocent victim when she took over the lease from the sub-tenant Great Britain?
In my humble opinion: the law be it either international or of any civilized country is that if a purchaser acquires a property with prior knowledge that the property in question is in fact stolen or that the seller does not have a legal or legitimate title to the property at the time of transaction is equally guilty of the crime of theft. Such transaction is not only null and void and of no effect, the title to the property in question is still vested with the original owner.
The ICJ only handles cases between states and nations which must agree to come voluntarily to be adjudged and be bound by its decisions; I strongly believe that Malaysia dares not go to the International Court of Justice to face the Philippines because the former foresee the high possibility of losing.
For centuries Great Britain was the cause of a lot of world problems today, history will tell you the sufferings of people in the Middle East, Africa, Indian Sub-Continent, Argentine Falklands and many more. Even within the United Kingdom, the Scottish, Welsh, and Irish people are really pissed with England.
Hong Kong was fortunate when the late Deng Xiao Ping told Margaret Thatcher in private that if Great Britain does not leave Hong Kong after squatting there for more than 150 years, the Chinese Army will overrun Hong Kong in one day. She was eventually returned to China on July 1, 1997 and now enjoyed autonomy.
What about the voices of the population during the times of the first tenant Overbeck and sub-tenant Great Britain who agree to let the sub-sub-tenant Malaysia take over?
Let me give another analogy: I am the registered legal and legitimate owner of a bus. One day someone leased the bus from me and drove around town picking up and dropping off passengers along the way for profit. Let us say that the passengers love his driving so much that they want to patronize him for life. Does that in any way mean he can sell my bus or treat the same as his property?
To answer my earlier question: the passengers can choose to ride whichever bus they want to, but the sovereignty of Sabah is vested in the Philippines. And this also means that even if the people of Sabah today might still want to stay on with Malaysia, Sabah is still the legal and legitimate territory of the Philippines under international law if the same principles are applied as per the Judgments of the International Court of Justice with regards to the cases of Sipadan and Ligitan Islands, and Pulau Batu Puteh or Pedra Branca.
The Sultanate of Sulu had ceased to exist when every inch of its territory was ceded on Sept 12, 1962 to the government of the Philippines and as the successor-in-title of the defunct sultanate, it is entitled to reclaim Sabah which is at all material times rightfully theirs.
dream on. hongkong enjoying its autonomy? says who? there has been recent and ongoing protests in hongkong and if hongkong people were to choose they would still prefer to be under british rule. falklands residents wants to be in the UK. they do not want to be bullied by argentina's president just so because she said so it is theirs. what is her basis on this? she ignores the local people, put blockades and sanctions to all their trade routes. this is all propaganda, a way to mask the real issues in argentina, with its shrinking economy and debt crisis.
Deleteit is easy to blame someone when something is wrong. yes blame the british for all the current world problems, yet they do not blame themselves for the problems they which they have caused themselves. yes blame the british for the poverty in africa, don't mind the corrupt governments there raping, pillaging, leeching the lifeblood of their countries. yes, blame the british for the indian sub-continent's problems, ignore the fact that pakistan is overrun by terrorist and corrupt officials. blame the british for all the problems in the middle east, ignore the fact that in syria it is president assad who is killing his own people, not to mention similar issues in iran, egypt and libya.
yes blame the british, who yearly spends almost 1%(£7bn) of its GDP in international developments and aids, despite its shrinking economy and being in recession.
yes you can blame someone except yourself. typical....
finally, your analogy is a joke! you are comparing a bus over a territory with over 3 million people who lived there all their lives, have their own culture, language and economy? are you insane!? you want them to leave just because you think it is yours and they are squatting? incredible!!!
-urag0n
bakit? hindi ba totoo iyung sinabi niya na iyung mga dating imperialists na tulad ng brittania eh kung anu-anong bansa ang mga sinakop at kinamkam tapos nung iniwan nila eh pinabayaan nila sa mga territorial disputes?
Deletemasyado kang subjective, hindi ka magbasa muna at tanggapin ang mga facts and conveniently forgetting na kung hindi dahil sa mga imperialists eh dapat walang gulo na mga ganiyan.
plus alam mo ba na 1 million Filipinos ang nasa sabah via Ex PM Mahatir's IC act? another beneficiary of the IC are 1 million are Indonesians. lahat iyan naturalized Malaysians na nilagay sa Sabah ni Mahathir para bumoto sa UMNO party niya? 1M legal Filipinos, di kasama ang illegal diyan na malamang 1 million din. kung tutuusin outnumbered ang Malaysian Indians at Chinese sa Sabah.
http://antipinoy.com/the-sabah-question/
Deletepero chong wag nyang i-single out ang britanya. lahat ng mga bansa sa europa ay mga imperialist. espanya, portugal, france, holland at marami pang iba. matagal nang isinuko ang mga territoryo nila sa iba't ibang kontinente. bakit ang australia, new zealand, US at canada, dati rin silang colonies ah. bakit maayos ang systema nila. kasi may common goal sila ayusin ang bansa nila. sa africa mayroon ba? corruption, hand-outs at genocide yun ang ginanawa nila para macontrol ang tao nila. sa indian sub-continent at arabia, puro terrorista at mga sheik na iilan lang na may-ari ng mga oil fields na puro pera lang ang habol. hindi ako subjective. facts yun pare.
Deletesure may mga pinoy sa sabah. eh ano naman kung marami ring ibang nationalities dun at mas marami sila kumpara sa malaysians? kung magkakaroon ng referendum dun, tingnan natin kung sino pipiliin nila. multi-cultural na bawat sulok ng mundo ngayon. kaya kung pagpipiliin ang mga taga sabah, sigurado ako kung saan sila sasama, at sigurado ako hindi sa pilipinas.
-urag0n
sigurado din akong hindi sa malaysia, sa bangsamoro sasama ang mga iyan.
Deleteand please, imperialism is still alive to this day in the guise of "commerce".
mas malala ngayon, third world nations are unwittingly being transitioned to be dependent to 1st world countries in terms of industry and economics. sa atin na lang eh pag umalis ang mga pugad ng mga bading, putaching, callboy, jolgs etc. na mga call centers na iyan papaano na ekonomiya natin? patay tayo.
tang-inang bangsamoro na yan. sa pangarap na lang yan lalabas. harapin natin ang katotohanan. halo-halo na tayo sa pilipinas. wala nang lugar para sa muslim at christiano lang. lahat ay nasa bawat panig na ng bansa. may muslim sa luzon, may christiano sa mindanao. tangapin na natin na yan ang reality sa pilipinas.
Deletekaya mag tulungan tayong lahat. hanggat hindi natin iniisip na pilipino tayong lahat iikot at iikot ang gulo na ito. susmarya, hindi na ito 16th, 17th, 18th, 19th, 20th century. tang-ina 21st century na! you lost the fight so accept what you have now and live. improve your lives and achive the best you can get. masakit isipin para sa muslim brothers/sisters natin pero yan ang reality ngayon. lahat tayo dapat natutulungan at mag contribute para sa ikakabuti ng pilipinas. kung gusto ng mga muslim na magka-boses sila, idaan nila sa pulitika. tumakbo sila bilang lider hindi lang sa mindanao kundi sa buong bansa. tumakbo sila bilang senador, congressman o presidente. para may boses sila. makakatulong pa sila sa buong bansa.
-urag0n
ang bobo naman ng bicolano na eto, halatang walang alam sa history at politika, pilit na sinisiksik ang ideas niya na pang social climber.
Deletetangina mo, naging OFW ka lang feeling sossy ka ng jologs ka
ulol ikaw ang typical na pinoy na hindi nag-iisip. masyado kang proud at dahil sa pride mo babangain mo ang lahat para sa sarili mo lang. mag-isip ka, ilawak mo ang pag-iisip mo. hindi lahat ng nababasa mo ay tama, hindi lahat ng kasaysayan ay sapat para maayos ang kasalukuyan! tang-ina mo rin!
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Classic Pinoys, discussing Sabah instead of understanding the bigger issue on hand, that is the ticking time bomb in Mindanao.
ReplyDeleteDo you guys even know your history?
Mindanao in its entirety never became part of the Spanish Philippines. The Sultanates of Maguindanao and Sulu, and various lumad barangay-kingdoms ruled it.
"Philippines" during the Spanish era included Luzon, Visayas, Marianas Islands, Palau, Caroline Islands, and tiny specks in Taiwan and Moluccas.
A Republic of Zamboanga existed as an American protectorate from 1899-1903, with elections even supervised by Americans. It was dissolved and merged into surrounding Muslim provinces as the Moro province.
Mindanao officially became part of the Philippines (in its entirety) when the Americans dissolved the Moro Province (which was ruled somewhat as a separate colony from the rest of the Philippines during 1914.
In 1935, Mindanao was then formally colonized by the Commonwealth led by Pres. Manuel Quezon.
This is the backbone of the Muslims in Mindanao, that they were never part of the Philippines to begin with, they were a sovereign state and that when Philippine independence was granted they were technically never part of it.
That is why you have the Muslim rebellion in Mindanao, because in their hearts and minds after American rule Filipinos then colonized them and that they deserve their own independence.
What a joke, Filipinos not even knowing their own history and trying to muddle into the history of others.
Ok so if Mindanao was not part of the Philippines pre 1914, who was their president? Tarantado ka.
DeleteBobo ka naman abnoynoy, the Moros never recognized any Philippine president as they were ran separately by an American Governor general.
DeleteThe Bangsamoro Problem was sowed during the Spanish colonization, sprouted and took shape during the American regime and could have been aborted in 1934. The Moro leaders’ demands for redress through the three and a half decades until the grant of the Philippine Commonwealth were essentially similar to those of the Moro rebels in the 1970s until today. But the Americans and the Filipino nationalists turned blind and deaf to the Moro cry for justice and equity; they would not compromise.
ReplyDeleteDuring the more than 300 years of Spanish colonization, the Spanish expeditionary forces were able to drive the Moros inland, build forts but failed to conquer the Moros. The Moro warriors would always regroup and launch retaliatory attacks to confine the Spanish forces in their forts; they raided the Spanish and Christian coastal villages in the Visayas and Luzon. They remained unconquered, their sultanates ever sovereign.
Superior American military forces and their “policy of attraction” prevailed upon the Moros to give up their arms and place themselves under the American protection. However, the Americans appointed Christian Filipinos to run the courts and the local governments. They complained of injustices, inequities and prejudices. This turned worse in 1914: the Moro Province was abolished; the Moros were placed under the rule of Manila and the Filipino nationalists and subjected to Filipinization and patronage.
Besides the litany of injustices, inequities and prejudices in their petitions to the U. S. Presidents and Congresses through the Governor Generals, they strongly objected to the inclusion of Mindanao, Sulu and Palawan in the Philippine territory ceded by Spain to the United States in the Treaty of Paris. They claimed – rightly so historically – of having never been conquered by Spain. They asked to separate Mindanao, Sulu and Palawan from Luzon and the Visayas and to be independent or a U. S. Territory.
Coincidentally, the revolutionary government under Gen. Emilio Aguinaldo included Mindanao, Sulu and Palawan in the Philippine Republic. At the Malolos Constitutional Convention, these territories had delegates – not Moros but Christians. This implied that Aquinaldo and other revolutionary leaders considered Mindanao and Sulu part of the Spanish Colony like the Visayas and Luzon. It could only be asked: Did they also imply that as such the Moros were under Christian vicars? Doubly, they were wrong!
In their petitions the Moros were conciliatory yet belligerent — proposing compromises for political redress but warning of troubles in the future if refused. The Americans and Filipino nationalists must have considered this as bluffs; they refused to compromise.
ReplyDeleteIn the 1924 Zamboanga Petition, the Moros proposed that Mindanao, Sulu and Palawan “be made into an unorganized territory” of the U.S. To dispel any notion that the Moros “wish to dismember the Philippine Islands,” 50 years after independence has been granted to Luzon and the Visayas as the Philippine Republic, a plebiscite will be held for the Moros to decide if Mindanao, Sulu and Palawan will join the Republic, remain a U.S. territory or become independent.
In the 1934 Dansalan Petition, the Moros, after participating in the election of delegates to the Constitutional Convention – a manifestation that under satisfactory conditions they would join the independent Philippines – submitted to the Governor General, three days before the convention opened, seven proposals for inclusion in the Constitution. Three weeks after the adoption of the Constitution in 1935, they issued the Dansalan Declaration resenting the complete rejection of their Petition and warning of troubles.
The overriding issue in the 1923 and 1934 petitions was “consent” of the Moros before Mindanao, Sulu and Palawan would be included in the Philippine Republic. In the 1924, the “consent” was through a plebiscite; in the 1934, the “consent” was conditional – IF the Moro concerns and welfare would be accommodated in the Constitution. In both, the Moros were offering to compromise their demand for independence.
This fact is most enlightening: In 1934, the Moros sought redress and reconciliation by asking for constitutional accommodation; they were ignored. Today, since the 1970s, the Moro Liberation Front organizations, have been seeking redress and reconciliation through constitutional amendments; they were rebuffed – even vilified – in the MOA-AD (2008 GPH-MILF Memorandum of Agreement on Ancestral Domain). Will the FAB bring the long-sought redress and reconciliation?
After the establishment of the Philippine Commonwealth, the government under the full control of the Filipinos led by President Manuel L. Quezon did not rectify the established policies and laws unjust to the Moros – especially those pertaining to lands. Instead, more laws supported the policy to develop Mindanao regardless of its adverse effects on the Moros. Mindanao was dubbed the “Land of Promise” that to the Moros meant promise not for them but for the Christians.
ReplyDelete[NOTE: To elaborate on the point: The Philippine Commonwealth was inaugurated on November 15, 1935. Among the last acts of the Philippine Legislature was Legislative Act 4197 -- the Quirino-Recto Colonization Act – declaring the opening of settlements in Mindanao to solve the problems of the government with the Moros. Among the early laws under the Commonwealth were C.A. No. 141 “declaring all Moro ancestral landholding” not authorized by either the Spanish or American government as public lands and C.A. 441 creating the National Land Settlement Administration. The Moros saw these as “legalized land-grabbing.]
As it was in the past, Moros were appointed as heads of municipal districts and lower local government units; the Christian Filipinos as heads of municipalities and provinces in Moro areas before these were allowed to hold regular elections. In fact, President Quezon curtailed the traditional political and social powers of sultans and datus without authority from President.
The unjust laws and policies were the perpetuation of the injustices and inequities that were ignored in the Moro petitions. The anti-Moro laws and policies were manifestation of ethnic prejudice. The outcry against the MOA-AD and the adverse Decision of the Supreme Court are signs that the injustices, inequities and prejudices still dominate against the Moros.
In the 1934 Constitution, no provisions specifically protecting the Moro political, social, cultural, religious and other rights were accommodated despite the efforts of Mindanao delegates like Sultan Alaoya Alonto and Tomas Cabili. The same was true to the 1972 Constitution despite the many proposals from Moro and other Moro-friendly delegates as recounted by Delegate Datu Michael O. Mastura in his books. The 1987 Constitution is not an exception.
In the 1950s, there was peace in Mindanao as there was no war. But the recurrent Moro uprisings like that of Hadji Kamlon in Sulu puzzled the government. After a three-year study starting in 1954, a House Committee must have found injustice, inequity and ethnic prejudice at the root of the Moro problem. The Moro petitions three decades past were ignored; but the grievances had continued fanning unrest.
ReplyDeleteCongress created the Commission on National Integration to integrate the Moros and other so-called cultural minorities to the mainstream Philippine society. The problems were deemed rooted in poverty and ignorance, hence the socioeconomic solutions. Like the past Filipinization policy, integration aimed to harmonize the Moros and Christians by bridging the socioeconomic and cultural gaps between them.
However, young Moro militants saw in the program the obliteration of the Moro identity. They availed of the CNI scholarship program but kept strong the political root of the Moro problem and their aspiration for independence – their only solution. Ironically, the CNI facilitated the formation of leaders of rebellion not of integration.
The CNI was dissolved in 1975, two years before the expiration of its 20-year term, as a total failure. Evidently, it was poorly managed and funded. Even at the relatively low costs prevailing at that time, how can P5 million a year support projects for meaningful change in the life of millions in Mindanao, Sulu and Palawan? And, worse! By official reports and accounts of some CNI commissioners, only about half of the annual funds were actually released. Good projects announced in media were miscarried or aborted.
In 50 years from the establishment of the American rule to the creation of the CNI, the assessment of the Moro problem as rooted in ignorance and poverty had not changed; and so had socioeconomic and cultural development as the solution. And, in another 50 years from CNI to the Aquino III administration, the assessment has virtually remained unchanged. Their agreement in the recent FAB notwithstanding, this poses as a fundamental difference between the MILF and Government negotiating panels.
ReplyDeleteAlmost 80 years after the Moro efforts for redress and reconciliation were blocked at the 1934 constitutional convention and 40 years after similar efforts were frustrated at the 1972 constitutional convention, Filipino national leaders and constitutionalists still block proposals to amend the Constitution to accommodate Moro demands for redress and reconciliation. While the Moros look at the Constitution as the solution, they see it as the problem in the Mindanao peace process. Can the FAB hurdle this roadblock?
O AYAN MAGBASA KAYONG MGA INUTIL NA HINDI ALAM AT HINDI NAIINTINDIHAN KUNG SAAN NANGAGALING ANG MGA MUSLIM SA MINDANAO. MGA NAGDUDUNUNG DUNUNGAN KAYO DITO NI HINDI NIYO NGA ALAM KUNG ANO ANG UGAT NG GYERA SA MINDANAO TAPOS SABAH PA ANG UUNAHIN NIYO?
Sadly, there's just too many idiots around in our own country that only know a little bit of history because they think books are boring and watching tv is better. Well..yeah mas pipiliin na lang nila yung mga libre at instant pera sa tv or instant gratification pag nakita na ang mga artista, they don't even bother to read anymore. This is just sad, sabi na nga ba eh, hindi talaga united itong bansa na to..I think our politicians only see the Philippines beyond the corners of Luzon and Visayas only. The vicious cycle of war in Mindanao will never truly end, they will need a dictator-esque tyrant to really pull through.
Deleteang dami ko nga nakakausap hindi alam ang tungkol sa sabah. akala nila mga sira ulo lang daw yung followers ng sultan ng sulu. nagkalat na wikipedia, may google na pero mga wala pa ring alam. mga mangmang habang buhay.
DeleteHay Sabah, bago ang Sabah ayusin niyo muna iyung problema sa Mindanao.
ReplyDeleteHow ironic calling the Malaysians as land grabbers when truth to be told Mindanao was also "grabbed" by the then Philippine Commonwealth by virtue of the QUIRINO-RECTO COLONIZATION ACT.
classic case of the pot calling the kettle black.
I guess that's hypocrisy in our own government, which is a reflection of the people that live in this country. Di ko nilalahat pero sila ang representation ng nakararami so basically, madadamay tayo lahat.
DeleteLand grabber naman talaga ang Malaysia. At bakit nagbabayad ang Malayshit ng renta hanggang ngayon?
DeleteLandgrabbing ba kamo? HELLO HACIENDA LUISITA!
Deletekaya nga pabor sa malayshit yung gagong panot na parang titing binurat na presidente natin na stock holder ng hacienda diba?
DeleteYou want to know how STRONG are the Philippines claim on Sabah? Below are the answers:-
ReplyDeleteOh, SO FUNNY.... I CANNOT STOP LAUGHING.....
So you wanna take Sabah away from Malaysia? Want Sabah be a part of the Philippines? Then you guys must be prepare to go to war with us, Malaysians. We will not give away Sabah, not without a fight. You have to taste your nose get bloodied very bad first before you ever think of getting Sabah out of Malaysia. So you want WAR with Malaysia?
Oh wait...
1) Malaysia is the only country that successfully defeat the communist insurgent in the whole wide world. Malaysia & The Philippines communist insurgents problem started about the same time, but the Philippines until now cannot defeat the NPA communist, even after more than 40 years! If Philippne Army invade Sabah, the Malaysia Army will slaughter the Philippine Army just like we slaughter the communist decades ago. Now want to claim Sabah? What a shame...
2) Philippines Army are also facing insurgents group like MILF,MNLF & Abu Sayaf, & until now cannot even defeat one of them for decades now! Even the MILF u guys cannot beat. What a shame...
3) Philippine Army of 120,000 soldier cannot even defeat the 500-1000 Abu Sayaf fighter! Even 500 -1000 bandits also u guys cannot beat, now what to take away Sabah from Malaysia? What a shame....
4) Philippine Air Force don't have any operational jet fighter!!! Malaysia have 18 Mig-29, 8 F-18 & 18 Su-30, all are considered the latest & the most modern fighter aircraft in the world. All are equipped with Beyond Visual Range (BVR) missiles. Philippine Air force don't even have an operational aircraft & NO air to air missile. What a shame....
5) Philippine Army don't have any Main Battle Tank. Malaysia have PT-91M Main Battle Tank. U guys don't even have an anti tank missile (ATM). What a shame....
6) Phillipine Navy have only 2nd hand World War 2 era ship that was build in 1943 as it's main capital ship. Plus no surface to surface missile, only equipped with 76mm guns. Malaysia have tons of modern frigates, corvettes & Offshore Patrol ships, all equipped with the latest & modern electronic sensors & surface to surface missiles. What a shame....
7) Philippine Navy have no submarine. Malaysia have 2 Scorpene submarines & 1 Quessant submarine. The Scorpene submarine is considered as one of the best & quitest submarine in the world with torpedo & sub-surface to surface missiles. The sub-surface missile, SM-39, can be fired underwater to target surface warship 50km away & equipped with GPS, in case want to fire at ports. Do you even have a submarine? What a shame....
There any many more I want to write, but I guess its enough for today. Your own mess inside your country also cannot handle, now want to take care of another new territory. In your dreams lah...
Remember: Malaysia have BIGGER DICK (New, Large & Modern Military Hardware) than your SMALL DICK (2nd hand, small, donated & obsolete military hardware). So just shut up & be happy with your small dick.
Yes, that's true. If you ask me, I don't want to be involved in this silly war. In my opinion this issue is just so ancient it really has to die soon, everyone's getting hurt and nobody is getting the benefit from it.
DeleteOur own Philippine president is just too busy with the upcoming elections and he is too busy promoting his own "Team P-Noy" so that he could get whatever shit he wants..but yeah that won't change anything at all. I laugh at the truth you just said right there about our military(it is so archaic that if any nation wanted to take over this country they can so easily even without a fight), because that is something that the majority of people here ignore, the only thing my country is proud of is the 'misguided' "Pinoy Pride" which is I'm so ashamed of.
hey asshole. filipinos have bigger dicks. remember that filipinos have spanish and american blood... most of them anyway therefore have bigger dicks than malaysians. thats why foreign women like filipino men. because we have big dicks that are as hard as steel when erect. you fuckwits can only jerk off and pay white prostitutes.
Deletelangya, baligtad na mundo, nung late 60s nagpapalipad tayo ng jet fighter sa Malaysian airspace para sindakin ang mga iyan eh, mga takot na takot Malaysia sa atin nun dahil baka susugurin natin sila. kaya lang di makapag harap harapan na giyera si Marcos nun eh dahil nag hands off ang USA matapos magbanta ang Britain na tutulungan nila ang Malaysia pag sinugod natin.
Deletenow the tables have really turned, we were once the best military in this region ngayon "nganga".
agree ako sa mga sinulat nung mokong, pwera lang dun sa palakihan ng burat, iyung mga malaysian chinese na nabanatan ko sa kota kinabalu at kuching sarap na sarap sa burat ng mga pinoy, malalaki at matitigas kasi.
tangina niya yung pangbili nila ng armas galing yan sa langis ng sabah. tangina niya.
DeleteClocks walang oil sa Sabah, kahit dun sa Spratlys walang oil.
DeleteMeron. Palm oil. Hehehehe
DeleteMeron bro. May crudo doon.
DeleteIf people are talking about claiming lands then I guess parts of China should be sent back to Mongolia, Australia should be returned to the aborigines and the 'whites' there be sent back to the UK..It's like telling the people that live in the United States of America to send 'everyone' back and give the land back to the Native Americans..
ReplyDeleteSquatting? wow, we can't even fix our own squatters in our own country..oh that's right they are voters too..so that's why it will never be fixed.
Only thing I can say is, this whole shit started when Malaysia failed to increase the amount of payment to the Sultanate of Sulu, then I guess if they increase the payment, maybe they can just go back home now whether they get put in jail or be tried in the court of law isn't our problem anymore. What's the point of having more people dying when this whole clusterfuck can't even fix itself. When our own government doesn't even give a damn about this...because if noynoy really cared it would have been a swift, decisive strike in Sabah, but no..instead he's doing the exact opposite. I guess that's what you get when you vote people who are just famous for being famous and not competent enough for the job.
FFS, as a friend of the Philippines, accept the current borders and don´t let both countries be pulled into a war nobody wants.
I personally could raise claims to land in both Lithuania and Poland, where my paternal ancestors used to own land, when the places were still part of the German empire, which they lost after WW1 and WW2 respectively. Similarly German aristocrats, who used to own large parts of land in what today is Poland, similar to your haciendas, Russia or Lithuania, lost their land due to WW2 and were, after the German re-unification, told that they will not get it back. This is history.
Imagine if a group of German Neo-Nazis would raise a private army to reconquer former German land in today´s Russia, Poland or the Czech Republic. You can be sure that the present German government, with full support of the rest of the population, would cooperate with the respective governments and, while giving the Russians, Poles etc. free hand in their lands, hunt down any supporter of a movement at home, which tried to pull our countries into a war.
I also see nothing in the Sultan´s speeches about having Sabah join the REPUBLIC of the Philippines. For him it is private property, where he can rule in absolutist, feudal manner.
Clarify ko lang ha. Hindi ko pinagdududahan ang claims ng Sultan ng Sulu at ng Pilipinas. Ang Sabah ay pagaari ng Pilipinas. Kaya nga nagbabayad ang Malayshit ng renta hanggang ngayon. Proof lang yan na kinikilala pa rin nila ang Sulu na tunay na mayari nito.
ReplyDeleteNgayon, ang article ko ay isang patawa lang sick man of asia style in the event na maibalik nga sa Pilipinas ang Sabah. Ano ang mangyayari sa kanila? Siyempre mahahawa sila sa sakit ng maraming Pilipino. Kamangmangan, kabobohan, mahohothotan. Ang mga minority groups lalo na mga tribo dito ay makakatikim ng diskrimination. Kagaya ng pagtrato ng maraming mga Pinoy sa mga Mangyan, Igorot, Aeta, Ati etc. Kawawa sila.
Pero sangayon ba ako sa pagbawi sa Sabah? Oo! Kahit umabot pa sa gera wala akong takot sa mga putanginang yan. Kahit na mabaho ang bunganga ko, pag nag escalate pa ito makikita niyo ako sa front line kasama ng mga kapatid kong Pilipino.
Eh ang sabi ng Malaysia eh act of goodwill lang daw iyung binabayad nila sa Sultan eh, kung baga palimos lang.
DeleteClocks, sa tingin ko hindi ganiyan ang mangyayari, kung maibalik man Sabah sa atin eh ang gagawing stance ng Sultan of Sulu diyan eh hands off ang mga Filipino, Christians at MILF na nag-negotiate ng latest peace pact sa KL.
DeleteTingin ko lang eh anticipated na ng Sultan na one ma-ratify iyung peace pact eh taga MILF ang magiging head hindi lang ng Bangsamoro Autonomous Region pero pati nung transitional committee. Tingin ko ang gusto ng Sultan eh meron siyang sariling lugar na paghaharian niya na totally independent from Pinoys, Christians and the MILF, at sa tingin niya Sabah iyun dahil iyung Sulu at Palawan binigay na niya sa Pinas.
BTW, Clocks marami ring squatters sa Sabah, sa house on stilts pa sila nakatira, along the docks ng mga pier. Mga Tausug, Badjao, Indonesians etc. Kung may pumuntang mga skwating dun na taga Manila kakarnehin sila dun ng mga squatters dun.
What if China presented a historical claim that Luzon paid tribute to China before the Spaniards colonized the Philippines – and therefore China had sovereignty on Luzon – and now wants Luzon back? If you are from Luzon, what would you do?
ReplyDeleteWhat if China decided to do a Kiram on the Spratleys? Should we begrudge the Chinese if they set up shop in the Spratleys – much like what what the Filipinos are doing in Sabah today?
Will “proud Pinoys” say it’s okay for Kiram to do so, but not China?
http://antipinoy.com/what-if-china-decides-to-do-a-kiram/
amen. yan ang noon ko pa sinasabi. pero mahirap makaintidi ang iba.....
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Ewan ko pero nun napanood ko ang mga salaysay ni Princes Jacel Kiram e mukha naman totoo ang claim nila. At di maitatago na maganda siya, matalino at matapang. Fit for a princess
ReplyDeleteWhether totoo yung claim or hindi...eventually marami ng namamatay dun. Hihingi pa sila ng tulong sa US,UK at UN...but sadly they too, are turning a blind eye to this issue.
DeleteThe fact remains that they are losing people that is fighting this kind of war, why did this take too long? Why now? Our own president doesn't even give a damn about this.. I guess..talagang Imperial Manila lang ang boundary ng "Philippines" sa kanila...
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